awkward paws ([info]obsessive24) wrote,
@ 2009-08-15 14:43:00
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new vid - "Bachelorette" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer - ensemble


Bachelorette
Fandom: Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Song/Artist: Bachelorette by Björk
Duration: 4:15 minutes

Summary: In the shape of a girl.
Spoilers: whole series

Premiered at [info]vividcon 2009 non-attending premieres. Thank you very much to betas [info]bradcpu, [info]buffyann and [info]sockkpuppett.

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I'm a fountain of blood
In the shape of a girl
You're the bird on the brim
Hypnotised by the whirl

Drink me, make me feel real
Wet your beak in the stream
Game we're playing is life
Love is a two way dream

I'm a whisper in water
Secret for you to hear
You are the one who grows distant
When I beckon you near

Leave me now, return tonight
The tide will show you the way
If you forget my name
You will go astray
Like a killer whale
Trapped in a bay

I'm a tree that grows hearts
One for each that you take
You're the intruder's hand
I'm the branch that you break
Hum-yeah!




As usual, this is me putting forth an argument. It's not the argument, and I haven't quite worked out to what extent it is a fully supportable interpretation of canon. But it's an interesting viewpoint, and I think an important one which deserves to be articulated.

At some point Joss Whedon made an interesting, sweeping commentary of BtVS seasonal Big Bads as representations of social issues for a young woman: season 2 was the Bad Boyfriend, season 3 was the Father Figure. Whedon then laughed and admitted season 4 was about a robot and let the analogy rest, but I think a valid extension can be applied throughout the series, if not season by season, then at least in a broad-brush sense.

To that end, it was never my intention to make a vid that merely says "Look at these bad, bad men treating Buffy/women badly! Boo!" And if that's the way the vid ultimately came across, then I can't apologise enough. What I wanted to show was patriarchy as a concept, and the different instances that concept could embody. It is not meant to be taken as a blanket critique of men being men, or at least not beyond the privileges - if any - that they unconsciously inherit simply by being born into the structure.

For me, the most important thing is that these issues can be universally true to women, not just for Slayers or female characters in this fiction. At one point or another, most women have to face most of these issues in society, whether or not they are consciously aware of it being such: issues of sex and virtue; of father figures and control; of the "old boys' club" which imposes structural concepts on education and the workplace; and - at the very end of the spectrum - misogyny as tangible violent acts against women.

The last issue is the most physically hurtful, but by the same token is easiest to identify as a target. The other issues seem far more insidious and, to the majority of us, seem to represent something far more immediate yet much harder to pin down.

As an argument vid toward one particular reading of the source, I'm well aware of how it excluded certain evidence in order to make its point. Take Maggie Walsh, for example, or Faith's sexual dominance, or what Gwen Post represented to the Council. While in text I could spend a lot more time discussing how these women provide counterarguments and perhaps could have provided rebuttals, they were necessarily excluded from the vid because of the limited time frame and the ambiguity of constructing an argument through visuals alone. I would love to overcome this shortcoming one day, but right now I'm still thinking there are inherent restrictions in this medium that makes it impossible. As usual, I see a vid as primarily a blunt instrument, and the kinks have to be ironed out elsewhere in words.




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[info]gigglemonster
2009-08-15 03:22 am UTC (link)
Oh wow this is really intense dude!
That whole opening sequence with the flashes and all the men kind of morphing into one another was amazing.
You definitely captured all the different issues perfectly, it came across very clearly. I love this so much!

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 03:38 am UTC (link)
You know, I was taking bets on how many people I could blind with the intro. ;) I'm really glad that it worked for you. Thank you so much!

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[info]crickets
2009-08-15 03:27 am UTC (link)
You have no idea how much I want to watch this now. A buffy vid! From you! *spasms* Memming and I promise to be back.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 03:39 am UTC (link)
The cardinal rule is always: own vid first, other people's vids later. ;) Even during VVC.

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[info]kuwdora
2009-08-15 03:45 am UTC (link)
I'm full of a few different cold medications right now so I can't do anything more than FLAIL FLAIL excitedly as I watch this several times in a row. Damn, woman. When you try and make a point, you reallllly make a point.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 03:51 am UTC (link)
I am ALL FOR pointy things. And, yay, thank you! You're a darling for watching and leaving feedback despite being pillow fort-bound. *schnoogles* Hope it's not the dreaded pig death?

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[info]pigtailedgirl
2009-08-15 04:16 am UTC (link)
Oh that's an interesting vid. I watched before reading notes and about half way in I thought it was all about how Buffy isn't really that feminist/woman forward considering the male influence and abuse she and the other female characters take. But by the end, the vid knocked that on it's ass. I got a very take yourself back moment from it.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 07:15 am UTC (link)
The end is definitely take-back-y. :D I think your reading is interesting and perfectly valid, because one of the effects of BtVS constructing its instances of patriarchy *is* the fact that Buffy and the others are locked into these structures even though they're supposed to be feminist protagonists. Blah, I'm rambling, which is not a good idea because I've been getting drunk tonight in hopes of sharing in Club Vivid joy by proxy. I'll shut up now. Thank you so much for your kind comment!

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[info]lita64
2009-08-15 04:44 am UTC (link)
This is the best Buffy video I have seen in a long, long time. You are a true visionary when it comes to editing. Thank you for being so creative! :)

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 07:16 am UTC (link)
Wow! Thank you so very much! I'm so flattered by your incredibly kind comment and very glad that it worked for you. :)

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[info]coffeeandink
2009-08-15 04:46 am UTC (link)
I liked this a lot. Comments sometime when I am not drunk.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 07:17 am UTC (link)
W00t, and thank you! (I'm drunk, by the way. I've been getting drunk tonight in hopes of vicariously joining in the fun of CVV. Woe.)

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[info]serrico
2009-08-15 06:04 am UTC (link)
Sometimes, in my head, the remembered awesomeness of Buffy takes a backseat to the present awesomeness of whatever show I'm currently most fannish about. But then a vid like this one comes along, and it makes me flail about, all, "Buffy was SO AWESOME."

I agree with this argument you've put forth, and think you did an incredibly insightful job of illustrating it in the vid--not only the concept of patriarchy and its effects, both conceptually and tangibly, on the lives of women, but the way the show presented those effects/themes/concepts/realities in ways that are understandable, accessible, and *questioning*.

it was never my intention to make a vid that merely says "Look at these bad, bad men treating Buffy/women badly! Boo!"

The day you make a vid that can only be accessed on that surface a level...well, I don't think you'll *ever* make a vid that can only be accessed on that surface a level. *g*

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 07:34 am UTC (link)
Awww, thank you so much for your thoughtful feedback! This left me with such a huge grin on my face. I think a lot of the appeal of BtVS comes from the fact that we have to come with age with the heroine and her female companions over the course of 7 years, and you do hit some pretty intense roadblocks at that time, all of which is not necessarily rooted in the mystical background. It's just... neat that we had this growing up, you know?

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[info]messyjessie58
2009-08-15 06:41 am UTC (link)
This is really awesome. And I'm also really proud to say that this is the first time I have *ever* interpreted a vid as it was intended (on any level other than the surface one)-- but then again, this is pretty much my topic of choice.

I think the clip of buffy pulling the stake and smirking, was a perfect ending. thanks for making this :)

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 07:37 am UTC (link)
Interpretation intendedness ftw! :D Thank you so much! I'm so glad that you enjoyed it.

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[info]littleheaven70
2009-08-15 06:53 am UTC (link)
OMG I remember you telling me about this idea in the car on our day'o'shopping! Cannot wait to watch, but must, as I have company this evening. AAARGH!

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 07:38 am UTC (link)
Totally! :D Have fun with your company and looking forward to your thoughts when you have a mo. No hurry, obvs. :)

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[info]sir_fireboard
2009-08-15 09:29 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, I love this song! I remember being completely enamoured with the music video to it when I was younger (I think back when we still had MTV UK. That was an awesome time).

As for this vid, absolute love. I'm definitely going to have to watch it a few more times to appreciate it more fully, but a first watch-through gave me goosebumps. Oh yes, actual goosebumps. I can say that's never happened to me with a vid before, so I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

You also prompted me to go and upload another Buffy icon. Woot.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 10:01 am UTC (link)
Björk and Michel Gondry are a match made in heaven. The pro vid to this song is by far one of my favourites from the pair, and I definitely agree with the complete enamouredness! Unprecedented actual goosebumps is AWESOME. Thank you so much! :D

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[info]oxoniensis
2009-08-15 09:39 am UTC (link)
This was fascinating, and so beautifully presented - such a strong vid. The final section of the vid in particular made me joyful, all these strong women refusing to be beaten down. Awesome.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 10:41 am UTC (link)
I'm so glad that the presentation worked for you. Thank you so much! It certainly would have been a completely different vid without the ending, so I'm really glad that that segment touched a chord with you.

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[info]such_heights
2009-08-15 10:12 am UTC (link)
This is really great - I feel like I need to watch it a bunch more times, and that's no hardship at all. *g*

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 10:45 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much for your kind comment and rec! It's great to hear that you're finding it has some rewatch value. :)

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[info]thebookdragon
2009-08-15 10:15 am UTC (link)
That is awesome, thank you for sharing this with all of us.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 10:45 am UTC (link)
Thank you for commenting! I'm really pleased that you enjoyed the vid.

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[info]wedjateye
2009-08-15 11:19 am UTC (link)
Usually I read notes after I watch a vid and go 'huh. Maybe I should watch it again and see if I can see any of that.' This time I actually got it whilst watching. I really liked the parade of men at the beginning. I started to wonder if Joss is really the feminist I think of him as about half way through and then it all swung around by the end. I also loved your use of the young softball player. Left me feeling hopeful again.

Damn you just made me miss Buffy so much.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-15 11:26 am UTC (link)
I think it helps that the vid doesn't say anything that the show itself doesn't say. Events might have been organised a bit differently in the way I see patriarchal concepts (which was mostly derived from a Buffy gender studies primer that I read years ago), but certainly the core concepts are all there in canon. As much as I do not want to get drawn into any sort of fannish shitstorm that inevitably ensues when we start talking about Joss Whedon as a proponent or else arch-enemy of feminism, I think the vid's ending is exactly as the show intended for it to be, and that seems to be the part that warrants the most caring about. I'm really glad that it left you feeling hopeful. Thank you!

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[info]thandie
2009-08-15 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Stop making me watch Buffy, STOOOOOP! ;)

This was just so delightful...first of all: FUCKING BJORK. I mean, that already had sold me to this.
I didn't read the notes, but the concept is pretty simple and immediate, I caught it easily (and I mean, I'm kind of dumb about these things, so I suppose you were particularly clear and straightforward :P). I caught it SO well indeed that the first part made me pretty nervous and edgy, and I was wonderfully relieved in the end when you basically put things upside down. I was like 'TAKE THIS, MEN', seriously, I pratically cheered up aloud.

Lengthy and uninteresting essay ahead:

Well, as for the source I think it's impossible not to see some side of misogynism in ANY show or movie that ever aired, even if I'm always very careful when I call such hard subjects and thematics, because I'm not exactly in love with people that talk and discuss *endlessly* about these important issues without even realising what SERIOUS stuff they are talking about, and often just for sake or shitting on shows or movies they don't like for whatever reason.

This said, Buffy has always seemed feminist friendly to me (and you know I have superficial knownledge of it, so you can totally correct me and/or tell me to shut up) because of how they portrayed the main character, at least she wasn't portrayed as a man in short skirt (one of those things that irritate me to no end) or as an all-I-worry-about-is-boys girl, which is obviously what I'm used to see most (and I might hate it even more than the man-in-skirt, if I wasn't so indoctrinated with it at this point).

I think in all these years the only female character I've felt close to has been early-seasons!Scully. She retained qualities and flaws of any real woman (what basically makes us different from the other sex, 'cause no matter what I hear sometimes, I don't believe we are one and the same...thankfully) and those aspects made her strong and 3-dimensional, not the usual action hero with big boobs.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 06:50 am UTC (link)
Hey you! I'm so glad that it worked for you and was clear, yay! And much yayz for cheerful ending. :D Thank you for your kind comment!

I think concepts of misogyny, feminism, all these interrelated topics... are such a huge can of worms, and that's why I usually stay silent in the conversations. I think the conversations are always interesting, but often I don't feel like I have anything useful to contribute. As usual I'm just off in my own little corner doing my own little finger paintings on the wall. :D

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[info]dreamer1104
2009-08-15 12:41 pm UTC (link)
Great vid! I love the song choice and the editing is superb! Will definitely rewatch quite a few times. :D

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 06:54 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much! I'm really happy that it warrants rewatching, thank you. :)

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[info]musesfool
2009-08-15 05:02 pm UTC (link)
This is fantastically intense and moving. I loved it.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 06:55 am UTC (link)
Wow, thank you! I really appreciate it. :)

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[info]crisl
2009-08-15 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Великолепно! Great

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 06:59 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much!

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[info]secretlytodream
2009-08-15 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Woah...that was... Being not-Buffy-fan I watched this from beginning to the end, and I really enjoyed this. I liked your lyrical interpretation, your beat use and scenes selection. Everything was very well done.

And talking about bits in the beginning? Absolutely cool, and I'm still not blind *winks*

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:00 am UTC (link)
I'm really pleased that you got something out of it despite not being a Buffy fan! Thank you very much. And I'm very relieved that you are not blinded. ;D

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[info]anythingbutgrey
2009-08-15 09:47 pm UTC (link)
this is fantastic. your thought process regarding the issues of patriarchal structure in this series, the way you blend it all together in this video, it is really a fantastic representation and understanding of this world, and it was truly an honor to read your words. thank you.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:06 am UTC (link)
Wow, thank you so much for your incredibly kind words. I'm so flattered that you liked and agreed with the representations here, and really appreciate your wonderful comments. Thank you again!

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[info]softestbullet [dreamwidth.org]
2009-08-15 10:22 pm UTC (link)
O.m.g. I always had vague ideas about learning how to vid and then making a River vid with this song, but turns out THIS is the perfect use for it. Gah, the crowd of Initiative boys staring at her, and then clinking their beers together...

I have a lot of issues with BtVS, but this vid is a wonderful summary of the ways it did feminism right.

More thoughts later when I'm not so tired!

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:15 am UTC (link)
I'm so incredibly pleased! That Initiative segment was definitely what I felt to be the weakest, most opaque segment, so it gives me great pleasure to see you recap it with such succinct certainty. Thank you so much for your kind comments. :)

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[info]la_perkins
2009-08-15 11:39 pm UTC (link)
That was gorgeous, and made me miss Buffy and the scoobies a lot.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:17 am UTC (link)
Thank you very much. :)

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[info]silveraspen
2009-08-16 01:28 am UTC (link)
This vid is remarkable. I watched it and then came back to read your commentary on it, and found that I had for the most part taken it as intended. I very much like the structural presentation of organizations such as the Watchers and the Initiative in their relationship to the Slayer(s).

And on top of the story it tells, it's beautifully edited, too! Thank you so much for making and sharing this!

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:21 am UTC (link)
I'm really pleased that your reading of it came within the intention. I mean, any reading is always interesting and we could go on all night about postmodern audiences blah blah blah, but there is something particular to be said about being on the same page and I'm very glad to hear that was the case. :) Thank you so much!

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[info]sarkastic
2009-08-16 05:15 am UTC (link)
This is such an intense vid, and that ending makes it really beautiful and hopeful, which I think Buffy ultimately was, despite all of its flaws. And I really don't know much about the technical aspects of vidding, but even I could appreciate the great editing of this vid.

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:23 am UTC (link)
I'm very joyful to read that you thought the ending was hopeful, and I agree that's exactly what the show was at the end of the day. I'm really pleased that you enjoyed the vid. Thank you so much!

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[info]cathexys
2009-08-16 05:32 am UTC (link)
I watched before reading your comments, and I was actually thinking, But where's Maggie Walsh and Gwen Post and most importantly, Glory. But otoh, the majority of the opponents are males, and you beautifully overlay them and force us to acknowledge connections. Also, Maggie and Gwen are both victims of that same patriarchy that you're describing, both parts of a larger system of power where they need to outmale the males!

I loved especially the moments of leaving and loss...the unreliability and then the turnaround and empowerment in the end. And yet, by placing early and late moments side by side, by not creating a linear narrative but rather thematic moments, you foreground strength and weakness, suffering and empowerment together, and I really like that!!!

[Also, I'm currently full of Buffy love, bc I'm showing it to my boys and I'm rediscovering its awesomeness by showing them and discussing it with them :)]

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[info]obsessive24
2009-08-16 07:38 am UTC (link)
I watched before reading your comments, and I was actually thinking, But where's Maggie Walsh and Gwen Post and most importantly, Glory.
Such a good question! Glory in particular is a bit of a thorn in my side because she alone out of all these women is an actual seasonal Big Bad that was not represented in this vid the way all other seasonal Big Bads were.

Also, Maggie and Gwen are both victims of that same patriarchy that you're describing, both parts of a larger system of power where they need to outmale the males!
That's what I would have said if I were communicating in text. Argument, counterargument, synthesis, etc. In vid form, though, I personally find that it's nigh on impossible to go into that sort of detail without confusing the hell out of the viewers. I'd be lucky if I got the argument in clearly. :D Don't know if that's something you have come across in your practice, but it's often been a point of interest to me - the intrinsic barriers to communication in vidding. For example, in the earlier drafts of this vid I had this whole bit where Xander watches, confused, as Buffy fights an invisible foe that he can't see. Which I thought was a wicked metaphor, but it just didn't work because it would have taken about half the vid to build that argument and there simply wasn't enough room to do that and have it make sense to many people.

Anyway, that's me being randomly rambly. And I know I have a tendency to come across sounding all bitchy and defensive, so I really hope the above didn't sound lecture-y or nasty in any way. Just thinking aloud. :) The topic is so rich that it really needs to be nutted out in words; the vid's just a gateway, so to speak. I'm glad it's triggering some thinkies. Thank you for your kind feedback!

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(no subject) - [info]cathexys, 2009-08-16 02:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]counteragent, 2009-08-16 12:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]obsessive24, 2009-08-18 01:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cathexys, 2009-08-16 01:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]obsessive24, 2009-08-18 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]obsessive24, 2009-08-18 01:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cathexys, 2009-08-18 01:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]obsessive24, 2009-08-20 09:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cathexys, 2009-08-21 12:45 pm UTC
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